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GA 582 | Living Conditionally vs. Unconditionally with Andy Crocker

Avatar photo By Jessica Bush Updated on May 28th, 2025

This week’s guest is Andy Crocker. Ron and Andy discussed Andy’s book, “The Unconditionals,” what it was like working on a project for NASA, the importance of stability, and more. An MP3 audio version of this episode is available for download here.

In this episode you’ll learn: 

  • The quote Andy likes (3:18)
  • His background (4:27)
  • Competing for a NASA project (6:19)
  • How he felt after it ended (10:08)
  • The key takeaways (11:50)
  • Living conditionally vs. unconditionally (13:50)
  • What it means to “love” unconditionally (16:29)
  • Comparing and contrasting unconditional values and leadership (21:54)
  • The importance of stability (27:12)

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Jessica Bush

Jessica is responsible for the editorial aspects of Gemba Academy’s content, focusing on course materials, podcast production, social media, and other copywriting efforts. An avid advocate of entrepreneurship, Jessica has worked with two technology startups as co-founder and head marketing strategist. Jessica received her BS in Business Administration from Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, with a minor in Music.

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