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GA 629 | Why Leadership Is Like Cooking with Pete Behrens

Avatar photo By Jessica Bush Updated on April 23rd, 2026

This week’s guest is Pete Behrens. Ron and Pete discussed Pete’s book, “Into the Fog,” what it means for leaders to face uncertainty, why leadership is like cooking, and more. An MP3 audio version of this episode is available for download here.

In this episode you’ll learn: 

  • Pete’s quote (2:10)
  • His background (3:15)
  • Why people are the biggest source of variability (6:57)
  • What Pete means by “into the fog” (9:50)
  • Pete’s approach (14:14)
  • What’s better than sitting still (17:59)
  • Why leadership is like cooking (22:07)
  • The constraints Pete is seeing (28:41)
  • Pete’s final words of wisdom (32:32)

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Jessica Bush

Jessica is responsible for the editorial aspects of Gemba Academy’s content, focusing on course materials, podcast production, social media, and other copywriting efforts. An avid advocate of entrepreneurship, Jessica has worked with two technology startups as co-founder and head marketing strategist. Jessica received her BS in Business Administration from Cal Poly San Luis Obispo, with a minor in Music.

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